That's their generation. He was previously married to Susan Barbara Kapilow and Patricia Otter. You get that from staying overnight. So some, there's many motivations to why people would send money, and sometimes they're looking for something in return, sometimes they think they're doing good with it, but it turns out that they're being scammed. Ad Choices. [00:08:23] Will Johnson: And so he replied to some of these? Lui is the son of a Presbyterian minister. So you’re a weekend anchor in New York City so you can spend the week with your parents in San Francisco, yes? They’ve agreed to this arrangement for the years to come, too. You seem to be logged out. But they called the house and my dad’s like, what do you mean? [00:20:34] Frank Abagnale: Sometimes they’re very bad people, and sometimes they’re just people uh that are posing as a charity or something, and they don’t want to cause any hassles for them, so once you start writing them a letter they think, well the next step these people will go to the police, so they just go on to the next person. Read his story and tips. Let’s see what’s out there, and you go and uh look around and you find a great deal and usually you’ll see the description that says, hey we got a last minute cancellation so we’re going to offer this half off this week, or definitely too good to be true prices and attached to just gloriously beautiful pictures, you know, like right on the beach, right on the lake. Uh, and then... [00:10:12] Will Johnson: Or in touch with your mom. My parents are emblematic to me of what makes our country strong—working hard and doing what your heart tells you to do. A controversial figure in his time, he later came to be seen as a revolutionary who anticipated later developments. I’ve been thinking about why I chose to do this and I think it’s because it’s so obvious to me that my parents would do the same thing for me. But my mom is going through the same thing and we couldn’t do anything and I’m a police officer.” So, that, that was, it was important to do but it does not result in anything. Um, and we'd go back to the neurologist, uh year after year, and probably within 2015, '16 is when things started to accelerate to a point that it would surprise, for instance, his doctor. Who wouldn’t reach out and help? He moved into the first floor of their San Francisco rowhouse and eventually into a skilled nursing facility. He, he just loved it. Pursuant to U.S. Now, you know I, the Alzheimer’s organization, I’m one of their celebrity champions talking about this stuff, and [00:16:40] as I go to their conferences around the country, um, and speak or be part of it, you can’t even imagine the energy that is brought to bear. [00:19:59] Frank Abagnale: Yeah. He has been married to Heather Summerhayes since October 25, 1986. And then for these groups to go after them, and take advantage of that trust? [00:17:43] Will Johnson: And I’m back with the AARP Fraud Watch Network Ambassador, Frank Abagnale. This is a time where a nickel was a nickel. He’s always loved getting these things, and Reader’s Digest and he’d order all these little knick knacks that were looked great in pictures but then you got it and it wasn’t anything like the picture. Or sometimes you just believe it's a legitimate charity and you think this is a good charity I'd like to give money to, but it's just people using that charity's name with a PO Box and not the actual charity even if it's using a real charity's name. You must be logged in to leave a comment. But, overall, he remains very happy. You will be asked to register or log in. This is today, and there are people out there that want to take your money away from you. So my, that’s after, that’s $2000 later. AARP is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that empowers people to choose how they live as they age. [00:20:10] Will Johnson: No, there’s probably very few. And as … [00:26:40] Will Johnson: If you’d like to get more information about caregiving and more resources about caregiving, you can visit It’s that time of year when a lot of us are making vacation plans or have made vacation plans and are hitting the road in one way or another. Mouthwatering recipes, handy kitchen tips, and more delivered to your inbox, MSNBC's Richard Lui Is Taking Care of His Dad. They thought of the goodness of people. And the separate account was because my mom said, eh, you need your fun money, that’s your account. Empty comment. It helps me know what to talk about when it comes to things that are difficult for her to deal with like managing medicines, meals, etc. [00:15:06] Will Johnson: So you’re there doing what your father would do for you, and it sounds like your family, everyone’s doing that. Jenna Bush Hager & Barbara Pierce Bush Reveal What They Love Most About One Another, Better Not Cry, Better Not Pout! My anger is that they’re going after these folks. [00:10:08] Richard Lui: That, well, that’s right, they did. It seems like he is busier in building career rather than worrying about his love life. Um, and I've spoken with many folks out there who have, who encounter that, and so he went in, he got the diagnosis, and they said, "Well, it's dementia, potentially, and we'll keep on monitoring." [00:26:38] Frank Abagnale: Will, it was great to be here. [00:10:43] Will Johnson: Oh, he was like the perfect target then, on top of, on top of being elderly and maybe a little forgetful... [00:10:47] Richard Lui: And trustworthy, but that, that is, that is what happened. Richard tried his best to be a parent from prison, but his absence affected his children in real and substantial ways. Um, and um, talking about the story and to the extent that me and my family um, are willing to, to care for him. [00:24:05] Jen Beam: Yeah, you finally get everything worked out and you’re like, hey, do you want to try to get away this weekend? Sorry, comments are currently closed. Is it fair to say that attending to aging parents in San Francisco is not always easy from that far away? Richard Lui is a journalist and news anchor for MSNBC and NBC News. You'll start receiving the latest news, benefits, events, and programs related to AARP's mission to empower people to choose how they live as they age. Stephen Lui, who spent his career as a pastor and social worker, is now retired and suffers from dementia. Um, and she says, "He's forgetting his siblings' names." conditions of our. [00:21:54] Will Johnson: You mentioned tools that you didn’t have 50 years ago. “When we first learned about my father’s dementia, it was like watching my dad die in front of me. Oh no. [00:00:01] Will Johnson: This week on AARP - The Perfect Scam. Celebrity interviews, recipes and health tips delivered to your inbox. There’s no vacation home on the beach. But I could run it on a Xerox machine and it looked like a legitimate copy and a legitimate letterhead and everything else, but today I could literally sit in front of a computer and just move that four-color logo to the letterhead and get it done in a minute. He is an automobile enthusiast and is … MSNBC anchor Richard Lui commutes from New York to San Francisco to help care for his father. The Li Ka shing businesses have been rated as the world’s biggest health and […] They thought of the goodness of people. Um, and I think that just talking about it in that sort of simple way helps others to embrace the difficulty and the potential joy, the happiness too, like we, we laugh a lot with my dad, still, and I think the other thing that can be done is joining caregiving groups. Javascript must be enabled to use this site. They probably moved on, because they were drawing attention to themselves. Once you confirm that subscription, you will regularly Um, he would say, "Richard, why wouldn't I be winning a million dollars if I sent them in a check for a dollar? Richard Berry was born on July 31, 1950 in Paris, France as Richard Élie Benguigui. So oftentimes you reach out, they say, oh yeah, it’s a deal, and wire me half the money or give me a credit card, just put down the deposit and then you show up and it’s just not there. Schedule of Events. So if I go to white pages on the internet and I look up Will Johnson who lives maybe in Virginia, and I basically came across his name, it tells me how old Will is. And there’s lots of, you know, different sites like Air BnB and Home Away, plus of course, Craig’s List, so there’s different areas that they have definitely gotten into. [00:22:35] Will Johnson: You’re not jealous of scammers today though. [00:01:39] Richard Lui: And a very good evening to you. I'm fine. [00:11:41] Will Johnson: So your father is getting mail, your mom goes to the police station, but... [00:11:46] Richard Lui: With my dad, with my dad. [00:21:11] Frank Abagnale: It is. Frank, this story is about fraud and scams, but it’s also about the decline of Richard’s father and how someone with Alzheimer’s is so susceptible to something like this. Recipes. See? [00:02:22] Will Johnson: Lui's father Steven was born in San Francisco. [00:23:10] Will Johnson: Alright, up next on The Perfect Scam, we would like to welcome back Jen Beam. It’s amazing: When you think of big established media companies you would think they would be inflexible but they weren’t. My mom probably... yeah, probably from my mom, you know, but it’s not like, you know, uh like she was like, you know saying everybody needs to hear about this, but she knows now, in fact I called her right before I got to sit down with you, Will, and I said, “So are we done with this Mom? [00:08:11] Will Johnson: And this was in a stack of mail he was bringing with different offers from various different groups? After all, it’s easy to have family dinners and put on our Sunday best but it’s when we’re being ourselves, when we’re getting up to do the laundry that we notice the tough times. And he had. Richard Gere's only son Homer James Jigme Gere is all grown up, and he is the spitting image of his legendary father. [00:12:28] Richard Lui: Yeah. Your use of this website constitutes and manifests your acceptance How are you? He was formerly at CNN where he became the first Asian American male to anchor a daily, national cable news show. Like most of the American families, Lui's family is a multigenerational Asian-American family; his mother was born in China, and his father in San Francisco’s Chinatown. It seemed to work. And your mother? For someone who is older and retired, you know it's sort of the last people we want to hear about being scammed. And then they had a signature. We’re going to file a report. We've Got Tons of Info to Help You Decide. [00:14:06] Will Johnson: Or not spent, but how much do you think they siphoned out of his account? We met a week later and she revealed that she’s a remote caregiver, too, for her mom. It is all said, and I’m not at the end of the journey, certainly, and we’re, we’ve gone through some difficult stages, but it is a true honor to be a caregiver. After all, it’s atypical to be a TV anchor and it’s very atypical given my background. [00:13:26] Richard Lui: Yeah, um, I don’t think my dad was very ashamed. Sorry, comments are currently closed. Alright. As opposed to the, what are you talking about? And, in honor of Family Caregiver’s Month, which pays tribute to the 90 million family caregivers in the U.S., we wanted to learn more about Lui, his advice for other caregivers and his decision to retool his schedule. Because his grandfather, an illegal immigrant, filed false paper son documents, Lui's real last name is Wong. You don’t have to do that stuff anymore. His memories were being taken away everyday. You know, we're all having a good time, then she gets serious and she said, "I'm, I'm worried about your dad." Uh, I, I do it probably about half a million miles a year now. When his father was no longer able to care for himself due to Alzheimer’s - when the roles of father and son were reversed - Richard Lui took on caregiving. [00:25:01] Will Johnson: Oh no, so you get there and uh it’s just not happening. Are you still getting the sense though that he has not learned his lesson or doesn’t want to? and Mrs. Lui, I, I, you can’t do anything because you’re not forced to do this. 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. And believe it or not, there are scams attached to vacation plans. Please enable Javascript in your browser and try [00:21:45] Will Johnson: Okay. So if you’re um, dealing with a last minute deal, don’t just communicate by text or email, you really want to speak to a person. [00:23:17] Jen Beam: Hi, Will, I’m good. Mother and daughter reunited after separation at the Arizona border So, scammers had already taken whatever information they needed to start siphoning money out of your father’s account. Inspiration. It's hard to digest. Uh-oh! It was there that Richard, his mother, and his siblings rarely left his side, spending 16 hours a day at one time making sure they were present for every meal and feeding. Of course he did not listen. [00:01:33] Will Johnson: Let's get into today's story. Can you share the ways in which you help support your mom? He’s out there today making sure we are talking about it, celebrating it, making sure that caregivers are getting the care they need. There’s not a negative bone in his body. You seem to be logged out. The first-time director Richard Lui, an MSNBC anchor, told NBC Asian America that he wanted to make an intergenerational film that resonates … Refresh your page, login and try again. I don’t know if kids will, but... [00:19:13] Frank Abagnale: And it was just no, but it was a regular phone book, so I looked up your name, Will Johnson, and I looked it up and all it told me is Will Johnson, this address, and the phone number. gettyimages. And people are very suspicious that they are who they say they are, even when you get all these law enforcement associations, you know, chiefs of police, the local police ball, the policeman’s ball, all of that, you have to say, is this really them or somebody just sent these letters out? [00:15:16] Will Johnson: Richard Lui has made caregiving a cause. And these scams target people like me who book last minute vacations. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but... [00:20:07] Frank Abagnale: No, that’s good, cause there aren’t a lot of Abagnales. So you go on like Craig’s List or Air BnB or something like that to book a place to stay? I’m not going to stand for that. Smart Speakers (Amazon Echo or Google Home). 10:00 a.m. Watch the Opening and Promise Garden Ceremony on Mainstage. [00:23:01] Will Johnson: Right. You um, you know Craig’s List, it’ll be an email usually. And uh, were able to set up recurring deductions from his checking account. You are posting comments too quickly. [00:19:07] Frank Abagnale: You know, it used to be that if you were listed in the white pages, the regular phone book. You think about someone like our father being older and dealing with cognitive decline and it’s no wonder that they’ve become victims to scams like these. Has this time with your father changed your perspective on Alzheimer’s? [00:08:30] Richard Lui: So yeah, and there were several types of scams. No, that's not why we do this. [00:09:58] Will Johnson: Holy cow. I told her that I wanted to spend more time out west. This gave me the foundation to do what I do. [00:08:14] Richard Lui: That's right, that's right. Tips. Thanks to the team here at AARP, Julie Getz and Brook Ellis, and sound engineers Julio Gonzales and Steve Bartlett. This is more generational. So you have to do your research, and so even if you’re looking last minute, really be careful. Right? She supported my decision to work for two to three days a week in order to fly back to San Francisco every week. They even went to the police station, um, with one of the stacks. [00:19:56] Will Johnson: They can just sort all those names out and choose all the ones that are 70 plus. [00:11:48] Will Johnson: With your dad. Our show is about scams, but as we have made very clear, it’s often tied closely to getting older and dementia in some cases, and now it’s part of your story with your father. Frank, thanks for being here. He won’t remember things that he cares about. I think he was number 8 overall, but the youngest in, in the brood, um, my aunt, Aunt Fannie, came over and said, "Richard, I'm worried," and it's during our normal, our annual Christmas gathering, uh where we have like 90 Lui's gathering. again. Absolutely. And he’s writing checks to himself to get his monthly allowance, and still spending some of it, uh on these one or two dollar scams, the cash ones, and then the calls start to come in. So your father was in, in good health more or less throughout your life. My father was a pastor and my mother was a teacher in the worst school districts in San Francisco and, despite us having to live on food stamps and welfare, that’s what their heart told them to do. [00:25:05] Will Johnson: Alright, so if you’re booking a vacation online and you’re going through like a shared housing websites that we’ve talked about a little bit or other organizations, you still have to be careful. I'm Richard Lui, live at MSNBC headquarters with breaking news that we've been following all day here on MSNBC... [00:01:46] Will Johnson: Richard Lui has been a news anchor at MSNBC for 8 years. He was previously married to Jessica Forde and Jeane Manson. [00:09:16] Will Johnson: And did she have a, did they have a joint account or were they, did she have access to his account? Sign up for AARP's twice-monthly Your Health newsletter for the latest on coronavirus and more. Can You Solve This Coin Probability Problem? But the Luis’ story is about more than being scammed, it’s about Richard and his family’s dedication to caring for Stephen. For us it’s just a dime. There was an error in your submission. [00:20:01] Will Johnson: I feel a little more incognito because of my name, say than yours. His 86-year-old father's Alzheimer's diagnosis has turned Lui's story into one of a caregiver. TIPS:  If you think you’ve been a victim of a scam or would like to report fraud call The Fraud Watch Network Helpline at 877-908-3360. Stephen Lui, who spent his career as a pastor and social worker, is now retired and suffers from dementia. [00:09:22] Richard Lui: Right, so they had a joint account and he had a separate account. So you know, I think that’s all that was. That’s a lesson I can share with the world. [00:19:11] Will Johnson: I remember those, yes. Frank’s been working with the FBI for over 40 years now, so all that’s behind him. My boss is a great journalist. Now I describe him as being reborn. Prompted by Herodias, she asked for John’s head on a platter. Did we get it done?”. Last summer, Homer spent a family vacation in Italy with his father and his then-girlfriend, Alejandra Silva, who also has a 5-year-old son from her previous relationship. Full Transcript: MSNBC's Richard Lui Fights for His Dad, Sign up for AARP's twice-monthly Your Health newsletter for the latest on coronavirus and more. The other thing you can do is if there’s a direct address, um, punch that into you know a map, a map app and see, see what comes up. Titled as the Richest Man In Asia, he has assets over $31.9 billion. And we don't expect that you would ever [00:06:46] say thank you. Richard Lui is sometimes criticized for his twisted background i.e. And we go out and we try to bring our values to the world to say that's what we do. [00:12:16] Richard Lui: It is a big part of my story. Um, and she says, “What? You don’t get that from watching one program on TV together. I say ‘I’m Richard your son.’ He’ll say ‘Sorry—my Alzheimer’s/dementia sometimes affects me.’ So long as I can continue to hear that from him, I’m OK. Do you think being your dad’s primary caregiver has been hard on your mom? You don’t get that from sharing a meal. Slow down. He is an actor and writer, known for 22 Bullets (2010), Ruby & Quentin (2003) and Nos femmes (2015). Celeb interviews, recipes, wellness tips and horoscopes delivered to your inbox daily. So when my father would come to me in the beginning of the scamming, it would be, "Richard, here's this pile," and by the way, I'm holding a figurative pile in my hand, right that's about four inches. We should be taking care of these people. [00:02:08] Richard Lui: Oh no, not easy at all. We're going to hear from MSNBC anchor Richard Lui and the story of his father. Targets. [00:19:03] Will Johnson: But how do scammers go about finding someone who’s older? Richard’s three children were approximately 2, 3 and 10 years old when he was jailed. It really does, and it is angering. Once on the show page, click the "Subscribe" button to have new episodes sent to your phone or tablet for free. So again, within a year they shut it down, cause my dad continued to do it. I’m Will Johnson. But this group coming after somebody who is still fully functioning, and I don't believe it was Alzheimer's related in terms of why he was doing this. I don’t think my mom considers herself a caregiver—she’s been caring for us for her entire life. Richard Lui Anchor, MSNBC. Since he is not married, he has no children. I mean obviously they put a lot in place to safeguard people, but it’s not always 100% safe. Slow down. 61 Classic Thanksgiving Recipes, From Savory to Sweet & Everything in Between, The 26 Best Online Games to Play With Friends While Social Distancing, Sorry, Santa but We Found the 100 Best Stocking Stuffer Ideas Under $10—and We're Applying for a Job at the North Pole STAT, Gone, But Not Forgotten: Remembering the Celebrities We Lost in 2020. [00:05:10] Richard Lui: So the commitment by the family in both the sibling set as well as my mother, has been significant and I think really inspiring to see how, see how they've all you know stepped up to, to sacrifice time. 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